number two, when we talk to republicans, what they tell me, ali, i had a discussion with mitch mcconnell on this, he said we're willing to put the high revenues on the table. we're willing to get -- close the loopholes and the tax system, get rid of a lot of the carveouts. and a lot of those carveouts the people who benefit from those are rich people. i think republicans are willing to compromise on this. i have to say this. i'm frustrated with all of you on this because, yes, we have a fiscal cliff that's going to hit on january. but let's not forget the whole context of this. we are running $1.2 trf did he ever sits. >> david walker is banging on this drum as well. >> the key is we have to avoid the fiscal cliff. we also have to address the much bigger fiscal abyss. those are the large and growing structural deficits due to known demographic trends, rising health care cost and outdated tax system. here's got news. the people are way ahead of the politicians. i just came back from a 34-day, 10,000-mile tour. we got 77% support for a range of reforms dealing with spending, social insuran